From: Randy Subject: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 1:40 PM Just a quick follow-up on this... I just spoke with Tom Ward of CEC Entertainment, INC (1-972-258-8507) and he stood strong on the decision that all games will be destroyed. He said the reasons include: the liability they would incur if they sold/gave away a game and other business reasons. I asked him about breaking down the games to component level (buttons, monitors, etc) and he said 'not going to happen'. I then asked about monitors, if they get broken. He said yes-- they snap the neck. He said sometimes they do auction some lots off in Houston, TX (like the 'discovery zone' stuff coming up), but otherwise it is all destroyed. I did ask him about donating the old games to non-profits and he was quick to respond, "...we tried that too..." I dont know what can be done about this, as it is such a shame!! He did say that he gets calls in reference to this all the time, so maybe more calls? maybe email to the major investors of CEC Entertainment -- letting them know it is a BAD decision, hurting the environment!! Please feel free to pass this post to environmental groups and others who should be concerned about the monitors containing LEAD and other hazardous elements being smashed by employees who have no formal hazard material training... Randy From: Steven Zeuner Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 5:37 PM I dunno, there a business and they couldn't give a hoot about arcade collectors. Why would they change there ways if there is nothing in it for them? Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is left? Z From: Kev Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 3:07 PM Thought someone said there was a Victor Banana in a CEC somewhere in NJ? Yeah your right what's left? :-) Kev mowerman@erols.com > > Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is > left? > > Z > > > From: Randy Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 4:01 PM I have been browsing the EPA site on CRT and Circuit Board (PCB) disposal and... read this: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/recycle/jtr/docs/aftersho.pdf I will continue to look for further info on this, but the way that sounds --- they need to recycle the monitor tubes (CRTs) and pay for the service... In addition, they should be recycling the PCBs, as they most all contain lead-based solder... You should not be able to just chuck you PC into the dump (monitor and all). I know the dump here locally will take the PC but wants $10 to cover disposal of CRT- which they classify as a "hazardous material" and must be brought only on the HAZ days.... Shouldn't they follow the same rules?? Got any EPA buddies?? Ask them what they think about this.. Kev wrote in message news:894389$3ik$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > Thought someone said there was a Victor Banana in a CEC somewhere in NJ? > Yeah your right what's left? :-) > > Kev > mowerman@erols.com > > > > Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is > > left? > > From: Jeff Bovee Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 5:37 PM Really good article, too bad there isn't enough profit in recycling to make it worth while for the major corporations. Looking at the bright side though, we as a community on RGVAC are really doing our part, we rebuild, repair, reclaim, and reuse everything vid related we can get our hands on, and if we can't use it we trade it to someone who can, for some piece of refuse that they have no need for. Makes you feel better if you think about it that way! :-) Jeff (Heading to the dump to find some parts) From: Mitchell Patenaude Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 9:58 PM Jeff Bovee wrote: JB>Really good article, too bad there isn't enough profit in recycling to make JB>it worth while for the major corporations. Ah.. but I think the point is that if CEC Inc. is just bustin' pcb's and tube necks and throwing it all in a dumpster, they're illegally dumping lots of toxic waste (i.e. lead and other heavy metals) into a landfill. If CEC has been doing this for a while, they could be in for BIG fines. Not to mention the bad PR if it gets out that by putting lead in the ground water, they may be hurting kids. (I think this would hit home with soccer moms...) JB>Looking at the bright side JB>though, we as a community on RGVAC are really doing our part, we rebuild, JB>repair, reclaim, and reuse everything vid related we can get our hands on, JB>and if we can't use it we trade it to someone who can, for some piece of JB>refuse that they have no need for. Makes you feel better if you think about JB>it that way! :-) And it might be worth pitching it to them that way. They stop dumping perfectly good games, we handle the reclamation, and they don't have big environmental liability. Of course, to do this right, we'd have to be more formal about it, which is what Greg Apollo was talking about. We can even certify that the games won't end up in competing arcades. (at least not whole). They don't have to worry about tax liability since we'd be doing "waste disposal/recovery" for a fee (or maybe even just for the cost of recovered materials). By the way, all this can be said of distributors who just trash whole games as well, though they're not as easy to prosecute because individually they're small time offenders. CEC Inc. however appears to have a well-documented corporate policy. Before somebody gets overzealous and starts talking about lawsuits, I'd like to point out that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. If we can get a reasonable proposal together to deal with the disposal problem in a way thats acceptable to them, working with somebody inside their management who can float the idea. Certainly part of that negotiation process would be pointing out the huge PR (not the mention legal) liability inherent in their current policy. So.. Does anybody remember the details of that NPR story on monitor recycling? -- MitchFrom: Cliff Boese Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 11:35 PM Ok, responce time .... >Ah.. but I think the point is that if CEC Inc. is just bustin' pcb's >and tube necks and throwing it all in a dumpster, they're illegally >dumping lots of toxic waste (i.e. lead and other heavy metals) into >a landfill. If CEC has been doing this for a while, they could be in >for BIG fines. Not to mention the bad PR if it gets out that by >putting lead in the ground water, they may be hurting kids. (I think >this would hit home with soccer moms...) Correct, very good point, VERY GOOD >And it might be worth pitching it to them that way. They stop dumping >perfectly good games, we handle the reclamation, and they don't have >big environmental liability. Of course, to do this right, we'd have to >be more formal about it, which is what Greg Apollo was talking about. >We can even certify that the games won't end up in competing arcades. >(at least not whole). They don't have to worry about tax liability since >we'd be doing "waste disposal/recovery" for a fee (or maybe even just for >the cost of recovered materials). WEll here is an idea, everyone that is willing to do this should have a formal sign up, all the c and c palces thay can stop at to provide the survace, and maby ust halu off the games for free plus gas or mialage to get there. that way no fine, no dump, do compeating, everyone is happy. >By the way, all this can be said of distributors who just trash >whole games as well, though they're not as easy to prosecute because >individually they're small time offenders. CEC Inc. however appears >to have a well-documented corporate policy. Yes, and that is what will make this work. >Before somebody gets overzealous and starts talking about lawsuits, I'd >like to point out that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. >If we can get a reasonable proposal together to deal with the disposal >problem in a way thats acceptable to them, working with somebody inside >their management who can float the idea. Certainly part of that >negotiation process would be pointing out the huge PR (not the mention >legal) liability inherent in their current policy. Very true, I suggest the following 1, get a sign up page 2, get some one to onate there time to point out all the legal and pr ramifacations 3, make shure they learn all the goofd that could happen 4, list out intentions to the last detail, no loop holes, and some extra crap to ake the corporate happy. From: Jeremie Chaney Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 9:57 PM So do we call the EPA and file a complaint? What about telling a org like Greenpeace or something? JC Randy wrote: > I have been browsing the EPA site on CRT and Circuit Board (PCB) disposal > and... > > read this: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/recycle/jtr/docs/aftersho.pdf > > I will continue to look for further info on this, but the way that > sounds --- they need to recycle the monitor tubes (CRTs) and pay for the > service... In addition, they should be recycling the PCBs, as they most all > contain lead-based solder... You should not be able to just chuck you PC > into the dump (monitor and all). I know the dump here locally will take the > PC but wants $10 to cover disposal of CRT- which they classify as a > "hazardous material" and must be brought only on the HAZ days.... > Shouldn't they follow the same rules?? > > Got any EPA buddies?? Ask them what they think about this.. > > Kev wrote in message > news:894389$3ik$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > Thought someone said there was a Victor Banana in a CEC somewhere in NJ? > > Yeah your right what's left? :-) > > > > Kev > > mowerman@erols.com > > > > > > Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is > > > left? > > > From: Jeremie Chaney Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 10:11 PM Also, I don't know how many people live in Columbus. But what about calling someone like 6 on your side. For none col people, channel 6 news(ABC) here has something called 6 on your side where they will investigate a wrong doing for the little guy. Like if you get screwed by someone or something like that. JC Jeremie Chaney wrote: > So do we call the EPA and file a complaint? What about telling a org like > Greenpeace or something? > > JC > > Randy wrote: > > > I have been browsing the EPA site on CRT and Circuit Board (PCB) disposal > > and... > > > > read this: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/recycle/jtr/docs/aftersho.pdf > > > > I will continue to look for further info on this, but the way that > > sounds --- they need to recycle the monitor tubes (CRTs) and pay for the > > service... In addition, they should be recycling the PCBs, as they most all > > contain lead-based solder... You should not be able to just chuck you PC > > into the dump (monitor and all). I know the dump here locally will take the > > PC but wants $10 to cover disposal of CRT- which they classify as a > > "hazardous material" and must be brought only on the HAZ days.... > > Shouldn't they follow the same rules?? > > > > Got any EPA buddies?? Ask them what they think about this.. > > > > Kev wrote in message > > news:894389$3ik$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > > Thought someone said there was a Victor Banana in a CEC somewhere in NJ? > > > Yeah your right what's left? :-) > > > > > > Kev > > > mowerman@erols.com > > > > > > > > Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is > > > > left? > > > > From: Cliff Boese Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 11:38 PM I would not make a move yet, this has to be planned out wel, if sone ove zellous nut (no offence) goes to gp or a 6 on your sidethis might ruin it for everyone, like they might just pay the fine and process the junk anyhow, I would advise agenst this. lets do this as a groopp, not as people, if one person complains, nothing will happen, but if everyone work together in a groop this could work. do not give them any reason to say no, and something like this could really make anyone say no (it would make me say no in a sec) anyhow lets get to work on this, I can handle agusta and surrounding areas. On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 03:11:19 GMT, Jeremie Chaney wrote: >Also, I don't know how many people live in Columbus. But what about calling >someone like 6 on your side. For none col people, channel 6 news(ABC) here has >something called 6 on your side where they will investigate a wrong doing for the >little guy. Like if you get screwed by someone or something like that. > >JC > >Jeremie Chaney wrote: > >> So do we call the EPA and file a complaint? What about telling a org like >> Greenpeace or something? >> >> JC >> >> Randy wrote: >> >> > I have been browsing the EPA site on CRT and Circuit Board (PCB) disposal >> > and... >> > >> > read this: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/recycle/jtr/docs/aftersho.pdf >> > >> > I will continue to look for further info on this, but the way that >> > sounds --- they need to recycle the monitor tubes (CRTs) and pay for the >> > service... In addition, they should be recycling the PCBs, as they most all >> > contain lead-based solder... You should not be able to just chuck you PC >> > into the dump (monitor and all). I know the dump here locally will take the >> > PC but wants $10 to cover disposal of CRT- which they classify as a >> > "hazardous material" and must be brought only on the HAZ days.... >> > Shouldn't they follow the same rules?? >> > >> > Got any EPA buddies?? Ask them what they think about this.. >> > >> > Kev wrote in message >> > news:894389$3ik$1@bob.news.rcn.net... >> > > Thought someone said there was a Victor Banana in a CEC somewhere in NJ? >> > > Yeah your right what's left? :-) >> > > >> > > Kev >> > > mowerman@erols.com >> > > > >> > > > Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is >> > > > left? >> > > > > From: Steven Zeuner Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 6:50 PM Heh...well from what i've seen and played of Victor Banana, they can junk it. :) Z From: Evan Lowry Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 5:07 PM yeah, but this isn't about the "collectors" anymore, its environmental, different turn to get them to change there ways. evan Steven Zeuner wrote in message news:38B5B299.5ECCCF62@snip.net... > I dunno, there a business and they couldn't give a hoot about arcade > collectors. Why would they change there ways if there is nothing in it > for them? > > Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is > left? > > Z > > > From: Cliff Boese Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 11:22 PM not to be the one with the idea, BUT how many laws are they breaking by dumping this way?also wouldn't it be better to sell off the games insted of paying a fine? and finanly to get arround the whole (c and c would loose money to aouthers buying the games to operate) arguement, just sing a disclosure sateinng that the game will be in a home or non related business (aka office building, a place where people do not go to c and c) its an idea On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:07:29 GMT, "Evan Lowry" wrote: >yeah, but this isn't about the "collectors" anymore, its environmental, >different turn to get them to change there ways. > >evan > >Steven Zeuner wrote in message >news:38B5B299.5ECCCF62@snip.net... >> I dunno, there a business and they couldn't give a hoot about arcade >> collectors. Why would they change there ways if there is nothing in it >> for them? >> >> Also aren't the classics by now destroyed or gone? Seriously what is >> left? >> >> Z >> >> >> > > From: Chuck Kreiter Subject: Re: Games being DESTROYED Follow-up Date: 24 February, 2000 10:41 PM If you really want to change their policy, you've got to hit them where it hurts...the bottom line. They are a company that survives by taking money from parents and their kids. You've got to find a non-profit group that is geared towards kids (kids with cancer, etc) that could benefit from donated games. Games that could be enjoyed by the kids or sold to make money. Not a smear campaign, just a casual reminder that this company is happy to take kids money, but when it comes to giving back to kids, they would rather destroy these games. If you figure $200/game average sold in an auction and how many thousands they have, that could greatly add to the coffers of a charitable organization. Give that corporate image a black eye. If they see something like this and it affects store sales, they will change their policy. It's all about image. "Randy" wrote in message news:38b57b34$1@News.Destek.net... > Just a quick follow-up on this... > > I just spoke with Tom Ward of CEC Entertainment, INC (1-972-258-8507) and he > stood strong on the decision that all games will be destroyed. He said the > reasons include: the liability they would incur if they sold/gave away a > game and other business reasons. > > I asked him about breaking down the games to component level (buttons, > monitors, etc) and he said 'not going to happen'. I then asked about > monitors, if they get broken. He said yes-- they snap the neck. > > He said sometimes they do auction some lots off in Houston, TX (like the > 'discovery zone' stuff coming up), but otherwise it is all destroyed. > > I did ask him about donating the old games to non-profits and he was quick > to respond, "...we tried that too..." > > I dont know what can be done about this, as it is such a shame!! > > He did say that he gets calls in reference to this all the time, so maybe > more calls? maybe email to the major investors of CEC Entertainment -- > letting them know it is a BAD decision, hurting the environment!! > > Please feel free to pass this post to environmental groups and others who > should be concerned about the monitors containing LEAD and other hazardous > elements being smashed by employees who have no formal hazard material > training... > > Randy > > >